Those of y ou who were with us for Part I ofour interview with Howard Kohn, former ace investigative reporter for the Detroit Free Press and now an A ssociate Editor at Rolling Stone, will recall how in 972 Kohn decided to launch a full-scale investigation of the heroin trade in the Motor City. For several months, Kohn carefully developed informantsand gathered information until finally, in April 1973, he wasable to on page one of the Freep-Detroit's major heroin dealers, along with the names of several pólice officers deeply involved in the illicit trade. Unfortunately , as Kohn recounted to SUN Editor Derek VanPelt and Publisher David Fenton, his investigation was cut short just as it promised to reach into the higher echelons of the Pólice Department and even into the white business community. In an effort Kohn still feels origina ted in the Pólice Department, the reporter was kidnapped with his own gun and pressured to revea! his sources. After escaping the ordeal, the besieged newsman made the mistake of lying about the gun on the pólice report and was fired by the Free Press, which promptly dropped the investigation. ■ Fortunately for Detroit, Lt. George Bennett, now Deputy Chief was pursuing his own parallel investigation into pólice corruption in the heroin trade-which finally resulted in the indictment ofnine of Detroit 's finest, along with six civilians, for selling narcotics and obstructing justice. Those indictments, in turn, led to the historie lOth Precinct Conspiracy Trial, which finally ended in December with the conviction of three cops and five civilians, thus vindica ting in no small way Kohn 's often-contested credibility. In the concluding segment ofour interview, Howard reveáis, for the first time, the story that might have been: the Watergate-style coverup within the Pólice Department and the bankrolling of the heroin trade by wealthy white businessmen. He talks about the reasons behind the Free Press' dropping its hottest story, and discusses the implications of his experience for the future of the Free Press and other urban dailies who continue to be "out of touch with the reality" of their cities. SUN: Previous to your kidnapping, was the Free Press offering y ou a lot of support? Kohn: Yeah, Neil Shine, who is the Managing Editor, supported the investigation all the way down the line. He was willing to put the Free Press' name on it. We spent two years doing it all, so we got to know the information pretty well. We were confïdent. There was no doubt about the information at the time, when it was printed. But he was also willing to go beyond it, to continue the investigation to the top levéis of the Pólice Department and into the kind of white financiers who were bankrolling a lot of the dope operations. We were going to move into that direction - next. I have no doubts that he supported continued on page 8 "The financiers of the heroin trade are wellto-do businessmen who have either gotten into difficulty in their own businesses . . . . . . or just want to turn 1 000 percent profit on the dollar." "üíátd Kö! h%?! SL """ timm-'0' continued from page 5 it all the way. It certainly wasn't Shine's fault that I got fired. SUN: Wliy didn 't the Free Press continue the investigation af ter y ou were fired? Kohn: I guess the people above Shine didn't have that kind of commitment. If there had been a commitment at the top level of management at the Free Press, I am sure they would have been able to find the reporters willing to do the work. But there was neither the commitment in top management, nor were there any reporters who were willing to go way out on the limb in pursuing it on their own. I guess for those two reasons, they just aban' doned the investigation. SUN: Did top management ever react to what you were doing? Did they ever come and say, "great job "? Or did they seem nervous? Kohn: 1 didn't really deal with top management. I dealt with Neal Shine, and he dealt with his bosses. I don't think they ever sent word down to the City Desk to the effect that "We really think it's necessary to get to the bottom of the heroin corruption in Detroit." However, top management never took that kind of initiative on any investigation that might disturb the status quo. "" The thinking of the top management at the Free Press, and at the News h very conservative. The top people see the newspaper as part of the business community; in fact, they see the newspaper as a business. If they can make a few headlines, well and good- but to do a good job journalisticaily is never a priority. In the end, it is up to the reporters, the City Editor, and the Managing Editor to get as much in the paper as they can. I think what happened in San Francisco in the last ten years may be what will happen in Detroit in the next ten. One newspaper has died, the other two are now owned by the same company, and both are still losing circulation. They are completely out of step with the city and with the emerging generation in San Francisco, which is a lot younger than it is here in Detroit. Newspapers are killing themselves when they .don't do the job they are supposed to do. The San Francisco Chronicle and the San Francisco Examiner have finally, in recent months, fired a lot of their older people and brought new people in to try to salvage the papers. Eventually, the Free Press and the News will find that most of their readers will either have died or retired to Florida. SUN: You said that when you left the Free Press, you were gathering information against liigher-ups in the Detroit Pólice ment and white financiers in the business community. Could you teil us any more about that? Kohn: At the time, we were ready to %1 run a story in the Free Press that would have revealed a coverup. It was essentially a mini-Watergate situation, with top cops obstructing justice, like Nixon and his henchmen. These cops tried to sabotage Bennett's investigation, or at least impede it. What was happening in the early months ■ of '73 was that some top people in the Pólice Department were realizing what Bennett was up to and tried to stop him, to sabotage him. This is when they finally ; realized that he was serious and that he was taking the information to the grand jury. It began to leakout. That'swhen there was an effort to stop him-attempts to compromise his men with marijuana, dredge up old accusations of sex affairs against him. Itwasjust. .. SUN: J. Edgar Hoover. Kohn: Yeah, exactly. SUN: What kind ofpressures was Bennett gettingfrom the other side, f rom the dealers on the street? Were there contracts out on his Ufe, too? Kohn: Yeah, definitely. There was a big contract out on Bennett's life. I suspect there probably still is. I think it started at $20,000 and went up from there to $50,000 or so. Yeah, there was a lot of pressure from the dope world to do in Bennen, oecause u was - - just undermining that whole system tliat Irad built up in the late '60's and the early '7O's, when everybody was in everybody else's pockets. The whole thing was mushrooming at a tremendous rate. As I said, it was up to a million dollars a day and growing. As far as the white financiers, we had a few names. We had good information, añd we were working on getting more. At the time, it was to be the next area of investigation I was going to pursue. These financiers are well-to-do businessmen who have either gotten into financial difficulty in their own businesses and need the kind of money that is available in the heroin business, or just simply want to turn a 1000 per cent profit on the dollar. SUN: Do you think we will ever see any of the higher-ups in the Department or the financiers go to trial? Kohn: As I said. most of those euvs have r6 Story the pree ■ Vress, L?- Ieft the ment now. I don't think there will ever be any attempt to either identify them or prosecute them. As for the financiers, I think that that is probably where a grand jury investigation and investigative reporting are necessary, and if Bennett or any of his men arë going to continue their investigation, I think that is where they should turn their attention next. SUN: Why do you think the Free Press continued to downplay the trial throughout, and to treat it, at its conclusión, both in a news account and in an editorial, as a "grade B drama " which was basically an expensive nuisance to the taxpayers of Michigan and to the innocent pólice officers, etc? Kohn: I guess that the Free Press' top management does not have a very good understanding of how the heroin dealers and the crooked cops have been working as partners in a tremendous industry that has such devastatine effects f on the city. There is a tendency on the part of the editorial opinions of the Free Press, which is to separate the individual players from what is happening in the drama itself. Perhaps these individual players were grade B players. Certainly, Davis and Mitchell and Herold are not kingpins in the heroin industry. These guys were operating strictly at the middle levéis. But the Free Press editorials ignore the fact that Davis and Mitchell were part of añ industry that was destroying the city. It's a sad lack of understanding, being out of touch with the reality of the city. SUN: Did your experiences at the Free Press lead you to any conclusions about the limits of the possibilities ofin-depth investigative reporting in the "straight press "? Kohn: I think that the "straight press" is really an out -of-date definition, anyway. If you are just talking about, the press, there is sort of an old guard and an ing vanguard, both in magazines and in newspapers. I think it is interesting to find that, for once, the really reactionary papers of a few years ago- the New York Daily News, the Washington Star, and the Chicago Tribune-have overhauled their news staffs, got a lot of young people in, a lot of young editors in. There may come a time when the Washington Star may be considered more liberal, at least more courageous in its reporting, than the Washington Postwhich was something they wouldn't even contémplate just a few years ago. Those newspapers are facing up to the fact that the times have changed, and if they are to survive, they have to change with them. Those newspapers and magazines who historically haven't done that have died off, and that undoubtedly will continue. I think by the '80's, those "undergrounds" who have survived and the "straight" newspapers that have survived will be talking essentially to the same audience- the generation of the '80's, which will really be the young "hippies" and "peaceniks" of the '60's. SUN: You can 't characterize the papers as "straight" and "underground," certainly. But you can characterize the interests the owners of the various papers represent and are intertwined with. A lot ofwhat happens with the newspapers is what happens with the whole class. Kohn: Yeah. That's a different question. It depends what happens in the next ten or fifteen years. If you have some real fundamental changes in the economie structure of the country, that is going to affect the newspapers, especially the newspapers who are tied into the big conglomerates, the newspapers that are tightly tied into the business and corporate structure of the country. There are a few newspapers that opérate independently, to a certain extent, and they probably won't be affected as much. But it's hard to find any newspaper where a Rockefeller, or someone else of that stripe, hasn't got a piece of the action. So in the end, whatever happens to the Rockefeller family and the people they represent is going to have a profound impact on the newspapers, the press, the televisión industry as we know it. But I don't have any easy predictions on what's actually gonna happen. "By the '80's, those "undergrounds" and those "straight papers" which have survived will be talking essentially to the same audience- the generation of the '80 's, which will really be the young 'peaceniks' and 'hippies' of the '60's."